[E-voting] FW: [IP] more on (wiith comments by djf) NYTimes.com Article: Why We Fear the Digital Ballot

[Fergal Daly]

I think it's a symptom of this particular election. Democrats are making a
huge effort to get turnout of the non-voting anti-Bush people, immigrants,
poor and also to make sure that the people who think they're on the
register, really are on the register and haven't been removed for some bogus
reason.

If you assume

1 - without this turnout Bush will win whether the machines are rigged or not

2 - the machines probably aren't rigged in most cases

That makes it a choice between accurately counting a Bush victory or
probably accurately counting a Bush loss.

F

On Tue, Sep 28, 2004 at 12:50:52PM +0100, adam beecher wrote:
> [And a couple of follow-ups. I tend to agree with Dave on a lot of things,
> but he's lost me /completely/ here. --adam]
>  
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-ip at v2.listbox.com 
> > [mailto:owner-ip at v2.listbox.com] On Behalf Of David Farber
> > Sent: 28 September 2004 00:21
> > To: ip at v2.listbox.com
> > Subject: [IP] more on (wiith comments by djf) NYTimes.com 
> > Article: Why We Fear the Digital Ballot
> > 
> > While I see benefits to do all we can to assure accurate 
> > tallies, I think it is a lot more important to assure that 
> > voters are allowed to register and get to the polls. That is 
> > not the case in many parts of our country. Also  endlessly 
> > telling the public that it is a waste of time to believe that 
> > their votes will be accurately counted does not inspire 
> > people to go to the polls.
> > 
> > At this date lets devote our energy to getting out the voters.
> > 
> > Dave
> > 
> > Begin forwarded message:
> > 
> > From: "Robert J. Berger" <rberger at ibd.com>
> > Date: September 27, 2004 7:10:08 PM EDT
> > To: Dave Farber <dave at farber.net>
> > Subject: Re: [IP] (wiith comments by djf) NYTimes.com 
> > Article: Why We Fear the Digital Ballot
> > 
> > I agree with you 100%, but what your comment and the article 
> > miss, is that at least the Diabold voting machines and the 
> > associated GEMS management software are just plain bad. They 
> > have known  back doors, the data can be manipulated with 
> > plain Windows computers with MS Access software, have no 
> > public review of the code (other than the code that was found 
> > on their FTP site which got some very bad reviews) and they 
> > have a CEO who is blatantly pro Republican.
> > 
> > The first step, that needs to be done BEFORE Nov 2nd is 
> > public review of the software and paper printouts suitable 
> > for manual reconciliation on all electronic voting machines. 
> > Anything less will mean that there can be no trust in the 
> > vote done by these devices.
> > 
> > Then we can do as you suggest and get it right (or at least 
> > orders of magnitude closer to "right").
> > 
> > Rob
> > 
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