[E-voting] experience with VVAT

Catherine Ansbro cansbro at eircom.net
Sat Mar 25 13:02:19 GMT 2006


Agreed re: WA state.  In the US, not only states but /counties/ vary 
widely in their protocols and apparent integrity.  Whatcom County, where 
Marian resides, is one of the best counties as far as their election 
procedures go.

I also agree about the riskiness of postal voting.  Chain of custody of 
the ballot and accounting for every ballot printed are extremely 

Some parts of WA state have an abysmal track record.  Two counties in 
particular--King and Snohomish--were like a comedy show.  Every week or 
two someone would "find" more uncounted absentee or provisional 
ballots.  The printer had printed an extra 25% of the ballots required, 
but never kept track of what happened to any of them.  There was no 
record-keeping of what batch of serial numbers were mailed out or 
received.  Some counties used DREs with no paper trail.  The results of 
the DREs were different from the results of the paper-based votes--which 
doesn't necessarily indicate anything in particular since there's no way 
of checking either one.  When there was a paper trail, there was often 
no chain of custody, or poll tapes were unsigned.  In one case, a 
crucial audit log had 3 hours missing (over a period of about 2 or 3 
months)--which happened to be for the 3 consecutive hours beginning 
shortly after the polls closed, when the voters were being counted.  .  
.  .   Was it investigated?  No.  This anomaly was just ignored.  There 
were also poll tape irregularities that matched the poll tape 
irregularities found in some Florida counties that used the same kind of 
equipment.  These poll tape irregularities were consistent with sloppy 
execution of the Hursti-demonstrated hacks done in Florida last July.


Ciaran Quinn wrote:

> Catherine Ansbro wrote:
>> Marian's county has one of the best procedures in the country!  Hear, 
>> hear!  They had/have excellent citizen participation at every step in 
>> both the decision-making, planning and implementation, which is one 
>> reason their results are so good.  It sets a great example and shows 
>> what can be accomplished.
>> If we had similar opportunities for choosing our to improve our 
>> election system here, it would be great.
> Washington State is renowned for absentee ballot fraud - 
> http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110006543
> Postal voting is extremely subject to fraud - a British example: 
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1537754,00.html
> The last thing we need is more postal voting - being able to audit the 
> vote count is not of much use if the process of voting itself is 
> easily tampered with
> Ciaran
> ..

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