[E-voting] Fwd: Response to your E-Voting machine enquiry.

John Bernard Lambe icte-jlambe at jlambe.com
Thu Jul 5 02:27:07 IST 2012

Hi all,

I got the response below to my request to buy a Nedap machine from KMK.
It was also reported on RTE News that the department had "vetoed" the
proposal to sell some of the machines for charity.

So it seems that the department are holding them to a clause in the
contract that states or implies that the machines will be destroyed.
Maybe Nedap's contract with the State disallowed selling the machines on,
and they are holding the state to that, being concerned about negative
publicity from people like us studying the machines or demonstrating more
attacks - A bad case of security by obscurity.

KMK is making the donation to Barretstown anyway (from the own funds now).

They say "There is still the opportunity to send a proposal to the
Department for those who propose an academic or historic reason for the
retention of the e-voting machines." Surely analysing the security of the
machine is an academic reason, but maybe not what they had in mind. (And
keeping one as a souvenir is a historic reason).
What we could do with one would be limited by the removal of the firmware,
but Wij Vertrouwen Stemcomputers Niet (We Don't Trust Voting Computers)
might give us a copy of the Dutch software.
Do you think we should apply?
At least the current government has nothing to loose by the exposing of
flaws in this system.
I wouldn't have much time to spend on it now though.


John Lambe
Phone: +353-86-2895286
25 Cashel Road, Crumlin, Dublin 12, Ireland.
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From: Edita <edita at weeerecycle.ie>
Date: 4 July 2012 11:48
Subject: Response to your E-Voting machine enquiry.
To: Info <info at kmk.ie>

 Dear Sir/Madam,****

** **

Thank you very much for your interest in the possible purchase of one of
the e-voting machines.  ****

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Our proposal to sell the first one hundred machines and give the proceeds
to charity has been vetoed by the clarification statement from the
Department shown below.****

** **

Our sincere empathy to those of you disappointed by the Departments
decision.  There is still the opportunity to send a proposal to the
Department for those who propose an academic or historic reason for the
retention of the e-voting machines.****

** **

KMK has contacted Barretstown and decided to follow through on our pledge
to make a donation from sales proceeds by making a Euro 10,000 donation out
of KMK’s own funds instead.****

*"Given the public interest attaching to the electronic voting project from
the outset, a number of the electronic voting machines and related items
were to be retained for posterity by the Department of the Environment,
Community and Local Government.  The equipment has historic and academic
value and it is important that working versions of the electronic voting
system be kept.  Any proposals in connection with the retention of the
electronic voting equipment for these purposes are welcome and can be sent
to the Department at email address: franchise.franchise at environ.ie.  The
precise arrangements for the retention of these items will be put in place
when the contract for the recovery of the equipment is complete.*

*There has also been an interest shown in acquiring individual electronic
voting machines as souvenirs.  Unfortunately they cannot be made available
for this purpose.  The terms of the contract for the recovery of the
electronic voting equipment provides for it to be irreversibly disassembled
and put entirely beyond functional use and for certain components
containing software within the machines to be removed and returned to the
Department.  The Department has clarified that this means that the
equipment should be disassembled and not reassembled after the electronic
components have been removed, even for display."*

Yours Sincerely,****

** **

WEEE Recycle & KMK Metals Recycling Ltd****

*www.weeerecycle.ie* & *www.kmk.ie*

** **

WEEE Recycle is a registered trade name of KMK Metals Recycling Ltd; ****

EPA Waste License W0113-03, ISO 9001 & ISO 14001****

*P** Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this
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